[DrCaleb]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

I'm not saying I believe EHS exists, or this girl had it. But to say it's not possible for this to exist because the Sun also produces the same radiation isn't factual.

The sun also produces low level alpha and beta radiation, but no one dies from it, with the exception of a few skin cancers. Drop a nuke which produces very high concentrations of the same radiation, and everyone winds up with cancer.

No one dies from the UV radiation from the Sun that cause skin cancers? Compared to all the people dying from WiFi cancer?

Photons released from EM sources compared to the photons from the Sun are still photons! But the photons released by WiFi are not nearly as energetic as those from the Sun, about a two millionth as energetic, compared to 2.4gHz WiFi. They aren't ionizing, and therefore cannot promote bond cleavage and therefore can't cause cancers!

If anyone had an allergy to the photon radiation given off by WiFi, they'd also be allergic to the much stronger source of it in the sky.

We weren't talking about "WiFi cancer".

Again, if you think this through logically whatever the intensity the Sun radiates in the 2.4gHz bandwidth it would be orders of magnitude less intense than your WiFi router. It has to be, otherwise WiFi wouldn't work because it would be disrupted and washed out by the Sun's interference.

It would be like trying to send WiFi signals from one house to another using a 0.1 watt light bulb in the visible spectrum of light at high noon - the Sun's visible light would simple make it impossible to see.

A better analogy to explain how WiFi at 2.4gHz works would be to say you are sending WiFi with a high powered Maglight, in the dead of night, with only a tiny bit of reflected sunlight coming off the moon. Sure the Sun's light is still hitting the Earth, but it's only a very small amount. So the Maglight in that scenario is orders of magnitude stronger in that situation. That's exactly the same scenario with regard to the Sun's 2.4gHz wavelength strength when compared to WiFi. The Sun gives off almost no 2.4ghz radiation.

2.4gHz is the same as a microwave, at 125 million nanometers. The Sun emits almost NOTHING in that spectrum. Do a quick Google search. The whole reason we humans use microwaves, radio waves etc to communicate via wireless is that the Sun does NOT emit any radiation in this spectrum worthy of note and therefore can't interfere with those signals.

EDIT: http://www.windows2universe.org/sun/spe ... rview.html
FYI 125 million nanometers is 12.5cm

A well researched response, but I was more reacting to your assertion to 'drop a nuke' cancer risk, and the fact the sun does cause cancer whereas 'WiFi' related illness is nonexistent. Alpha and Beta radiation won't even penetrate your skin or clothing, so it only follows that they don't cause cancer. Although I didn't intend to, I can see where you thought I was comparing WiFi radiation to the same radiation as the sun. But I didn't.

If you look slightly deeper into this story you'll see the girl's symptoms - lethargy, sleeplessness, bladder problems - all classic symptoms of clinical depression. I'm saying this mother is trying to blame impossible things for the death of her daughter, instead of the fact she didn't take her daughter to a physician for a proper diagnosis.

[Prof_Chomsky]

Dr Caleb, I don't disagree with a single thing you wrote there. And you're likely right. That girl was likely depressed and her mom diagnosed her like a good antivaxxer would.

But to discard WiFi as "impossible to cause harm" isn't scientifically backed. It's improbable. But when XRAYS were discovered they thought the same thing... remember those XRAY toys they had in every shoe store at one time where the customer would insert their feet, see their bones and the store owner would then recommend shoes? They even pushed it as a kids toy. No one had any idea XRAYS could destroy DNA.

We do know WiFi lacks the energy necessary to cause tissue and DNA damage. But we don't know if it may, in some people, disrupt neural pathways, affect grey matter etc based solely on the randomness of how their particular neurons grew.

Think of it like how some sounds and vibrations trigger migraines or cluster headaches. Then consider what cluster headaches do to a person's mental health. (On a related note, until a couple years ago they had no idea Botux could almost universally treat migraines and cluster headaches until a new theory as to their cause arose.) We know "sort of" how brain chemistry effects mood disorders with serotonin, dopamine etc balance but we're almost blind as to how neural pathway patterns and grey matter effect mood - just that they do based on patients with injury to those regions.


Sorry for the long post. I'm not one of those anti science guys that says rubbish like "science never knows. Anything is possible". I just believe all medical treatments begin with correlating symptoms to potential causes. And if we discount any possible cause without proper double blind study we open the door to Victorian era " medicine".

[herbie]

As we sit there with the wifi router next to the desktop we added a wifi card to, the wireless mouse and keyboard the bluetooth speakers (those wires are just so unsightly}, the cordless handset and tv remote....
not saying it does cause health problems, just that if you think it might you can always willingly give up some of those redundant wireless gizmos.
I do know that with only 6ft dishes you can shoot 250mw 2.4 signals so far the curvature of the Earth is the limiting factor. We did it here decades ago.
All it would take is about 2,000 devices in your home to equate to sitting next to the microwave and running it with the door off.
BTW I used to give trainees shir, don't stand in front of the microwave dish and they'd invariably ask about health bullshit. No dummy, if you stand in front of it you're either blocking the signal or trying to aim it at something BEHIND you!